On my special day I want you to be uncomfortable.
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Siblings.
I have one brother, one half brother, two half sisters, two step sisters and four step brothers.
The one brother who shares the same parents I have had no contact with whatsoever since last March because he’s a cunt. I would have no contact with this person if he wasn’t my relative and my life is better without him. Therefore I have blocked him on my facebook, I made a massive effort to completely avoid him over Christmas because he came to my house. I’m far happier this way.
My parents want us to make up and he’s up for that but I outright refuse. I think they think we should love each other or something because we have been born into the same bloodline. I think it’s fucking retarded. I have what I’d call obligatory love for my parents and I think that’s mostly chemical. I have nothing for my brother. For some reason they think being related is a big deal.
I don’t get it.[hr]
The cigarette trick is known over here as an Irish Waterfall.
I had last week off. I have the next two weeks off too. I’ve been sleeping a lot.
About half an hour ago I got Xbox gold because it is a necessity if I’m going to be out of work for that long. I can watch your Youtube videos on my tv. Yay! I’m still having computer problems. I’m currently using my shitty old PC. My new PC has a problem that I honestly think no-one in the world can understand. It’s insane.
For some reason onesies are the shit right now. Pretty much all of my female friends have gotten one in the past year. My housemate walks around in a big red panda one complete with tail and ears on the hood no less.
The drawings! (fyi during the description i was totally picturing Wilfred Brimley)
Gamer and game industry/pr/blogosphere insider-ish person here. Being compared to Giantbomb in terms of video content by LP elitists no less is a very [i]very[/i] good thing.
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Siblings.
I have one brother, one half brother, two half sisters, two step sisters and four step brothers.
The one brother who shares the same parents I have had no contact with whatsoever since last March because he’s a cunt. I would have no contact with this person if he wasn’t my relative and my life is better without him. Therefore I have blocked him on my facebook, I made a massive effort to completely avoid him over Christmas because he came to my house. I’m far happier this way.
My parents want us to make up and he’s up for that but I outright refuse. I think they think we should love each other or something because we have been born into the same bloodline. I think it’s fucking retarded. I have what I’d call obligatory love for my parents and I think that’s mostly chemical. I have nothing for my brother. For some reason they think being related is a big deal.
I don’t get it.
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This makes sense to me.
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The cigarette trick is known over here as an Irish Waterfall.
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I shouldn’t be surprised that it has a name, but I am a little bit. Good to know.
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I had last week off. I have the next two weeks off too. I’ve been sleeping a lot.
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I just can’t get enough sleep! It’s too good! This is why they need to legalize cocaine.
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About half an hour ago I got Xbox gold because it is a necessity if I’m going to be out of work for that long. I can watch your Youtube videos on my tv. Yay! I’m still having computer problems. I’m currently using my shitty old PC. My new PC has a problem that I honestly think no-one in the world can understand. It’s insane.
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If I was more of a dick this would be the part where I tell you to buy a Mac. THEY JUST WORK, DUH!
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For some reason onesies are the shit right now. Pretty much all of my female friends have gotten one in the past year. My housemate walks around in a big red panda one complete with tail and ears on the hood no less.
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John’s girlfriend’s PJs aren’t onesies. They consist of a big baggy button down shirt and pants made out of matching material. I guess she has 30 different sets.
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The drawings! (fyi during the description i was totally picturing Wilfred Brimley)
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[img]http://www.ijusthadaterriblethought.com/images/kyle/pawns.png[/img]
Thanks for reminding me! I totally forgot.
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Gamer and game industry/pr/blogosphere insider-ish person here. Being compared to Giantbomb in terms of video content by LP elitists no less is a very [i]very[/i] good thing.
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Well that’s good at least. Now if I can just get my resolution issues to bypass their Aspergers I’ll be king of LPs!
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I had last week off. I have the next two weeks off too. I’ve been sleeping a lot.
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I just can’t get enough sleep! It’s too good! This is why they need to legalize cocaine.
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Hell yeah they do.
Ha ha, alright, I’ll just reply to your reply to my post…
When I said that I like my sister a little more than you, it was a joke. Like, “granted 1 million dollars is a little more than 50 cents.” Sorry that didn’t come across.
So, I said “Why don’t you like your sister? Just because you fought as kids and find her annoying as an adult?” And you replied with “WHAT?! No! I’m so insulted you suggested that! I don’t like her because we fought as kids and find her annoying as an adult!”
You pull out the story about fighting with and throwing you sister and yelling at her, which is what I was referring to. You act like that’s the trump card of sibling rivalry. But it’s common, man. I did so much shit to annoy my sister until she’d hit me then I’d cry to our mom. I don’t know why. It’s what little siblings do. The fact that you’re like “Oh it makes me so angry to think about it right now!” is a sign of a problem on your part. My sister would throw me and hold me down, and she told me enough times that she wish that I wasn’t born. Hell, I stole her diary one time and she had written how much she wish I wasn’t born a few times. It’s common (please back me up on this, Orion! You have TWO younger siblings, and I refuse to believe you never got angry at them). Hell, in HIGH SCHOOL, I told my sister that I disowned her because I couldn’t stand being related to a slut! We didn’t talk for months after that. But as adults, all the shit is behind us, because we’re adults, and we don’t care how horribly we treated each other as kids, because we’re adults, and we’re over it, because that’s what adults do.
I’m not going to be like “anything family does you should forgive, because they’re family”. I’ve met people who have siblings who have stolen from them, siblings who have horrible drug problems, siblings that brutally beat their family members and spouses, siblings who sexually molested them growing up, and so forth and so forth. Those things are like, yeah, keep them out of your life. But what do you have against your sister? She sent you her phone number so you can call her if you want? Man, what a bitch! Look, I KNOW she’s weird. I spent quite some time with her when she hung out with my friends in our late-teens early-twenties years, and I would conclude she’s weird and annoying as an adult. But whatever resentment you hold against her just comes off as YOU being stubborn for little to no reason. I honestly thought you’d reply to my post with some huge factor I didn’t know about. If there’s something you’re not saying and don’t want to go into on the show, I understand, and forget everything that I’m saying. But going on just what I know and what you’ve talked about, she hasn’t wronged you in any way.
I didn’t say “I know you want to save face with your family, so here’s a good way to do it!” I don’t know what gave you the impression that I had the impression that you gave a shit about it. All I said is that IT WOULDN’T KILL YOU to do it. Just one day. It’ll be miserable and annoying, but it’s one day, and it’ll mean a lot to your family. 1 day. And you act like you’d have to hang out with her all day. YOU WOULDN’T! You MIGHT see her once before the ceremony, you can just sit and fall asleep during the wedding, then at the reception she has to talk to everyone else, so no big deal. You could just hang out with your dad the whole time. I know you have little odd fights here and there, but you do get along with him, so that wouldn’t be so bad.
Trying to conclude, since you didn’t argue against any of my points (in fact, you confirmed them) I need to stand next to my original thesis: I feel you should suck it up and deal with one annoying thing for one day for the sake of other people. It’s your choice ultimately, but I hope in the time between now and her wedding, you’ll take some time to look at the situation from neutral perspective and reconsider your view on going.
I’ll drop it from here and let you have final word if you want.
And just to make sure we’re cool, I give you this…
[img]http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxefavPVia1qz9e2ao1_500.jpg[/img]
I have a sister and we get on fine. We’re not friends or anything. Pretty sure we never wanted to wish the other out of existence too.
FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHT!!
*all the forum members come running and gather around P Shoe and Kyle*
*whips out a massive chromed-out boombox and slams it to the ground*
ALRIGHT!! I need some battle music! What’s good battle music!? Someone toss me a cassette!!
[Seriously, what's some good "battle" music?]
Paul, I think the difference here is that you like your sister. Kyle doesn’t. And if I remember correctly, and I know little, your sister isn’t a moron. Kyle’s appeared to be.
I did plenty of terrible and annoying things to my own brother. Now, he may not have seemed to be the brightest — and I made sure that I could basically make him look bad like any big brother should, but more often than not, he would get me back with pranks. A little Ben Gay at the end of toothpaste tube, for example.
My brother also use to come up to me and punch me in the face and run to our dad, fake cry, and tell on me. As you know, my dad was deaf. Basically worked every time. Annoying as shit. Now, we have little in common, but I like him still. Fact is, I always liked my little brother.
I assume you like your sister and despite some probably unpleasant years, you two have more or less reconciled and can laugh it off. I remember Orion and his brother having some rather tense moments, and really get after each other, but in the end they’re both cool guys and seem to like another. I think they both see that, for whatever the other’s faults, they’re both pretty interesting, good guys.
Not much cool about Kyle’s sister.
In fact, I’m still haunted by stories that I didn’t even experience which Kyle told way back in high school — like how bowls would be left out with milk (and I think soggy cereal). When I think of his sister, I picture soggy cereal under milk.
Peace!
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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdIlP488n14]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdIlP488n14[/url]
Banter with Orion aside, as I understand it, the key dynamic to IJHATT–and by extention, Kyle’s life–is this: when Kyle discerns that someone’s feelings are getting in the way of their (or a) capacity to reason, he thinks they’re being stupid. When others sense that Kyle’s reasoning is getting in the way of his (or a) capacity for empathy, they think he’s being a dick. Entertainment for all of us follows.
Think of it as scale or chart that you can peg yourself on: Reason / dickishness on one end, Sentiment / stupidity on the other. Contrary to how we often shape perception of ourselves and others, I don’t think (or feel) that this is a scale that is vertically arranged (with Kyle on top and Marlykins on the bottom, ha ha, or vice versa). Rather, it appears horizontal, whereupon having a point barely matters anymore if you’ve upset your girlfriend enough (for instance). It’s like George Carlin’s quip on driving, if only because other people exist on it: “Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?”
Kyle, so long as I’ve known him, has been an intelligent man who aspires to a life of reason above most else (except when it comes to things he’s loved forever, like Nintendo!). The pursuit has made him an acutely funny, sometimes callous and surprisingly sentimental fellow. I think many others would say the same.
If we position him on the ‘reason’ end of things, it stands that Kyle thinks a whole lot of people act stupid (and we all think this when we’re exercising our logic and others don’t appear to do the same). Hell, he can barely talk about people and things he just plain likes without resisting the urge to start burying it all under his logic. =)
Now, family, however circumstantial it might be, is usually a touchstone of sentiment in one’s life. It is arguably the circumstance of family that succeeds or fails in teaching us to be nice to someone even when we don’t want to be, or in teaching us to make good, reasonable decisions at the expense of our gooey sentiment for others (daddy ate my eyes, so I better leave). The sentiment grows there as a barrier between us and going to jail for murder.
But it follows that, if family is a pool of sentiment, then Kyle is apt to think that the suggestions of his, however infrequent, are a bother or unreasonable, especially when its members expect his behavior and decisions to be somewhat affected by the very idea of itself. His decision on whether he’d attend his sisters wedding would be what it is even if he [i]felt[/i] somewhat differently about her, I think. To him, he can’t imagine why anyone would want to think any other way about this decision, or family or weddings altogether. To the family, these reasons won’t resonate–it’ll come off as P Shoe said (stubborn or lazy or whatever).
At least, I think that’s how this is working. How he feels (sort of hates his sister) and how he thinks (weddings are pointless) might be a chicken-and-egg sort of situation. One gets the idea that if he had to attend a wedding at all, he’d rather it be for anyone else in the world BUT his sister.
My opinion on this wedding ballyhoo is much like Paul’s.
I think that weddings are, with exception to funerals, the only opportunity our culture engenders to gather around us most of the people we have ever cared about or who care about us, for an occasion that, however artificial, is meant to be a celebration of positive feeling. And we’re too fucking dead to enjoy our own funerals, so we may as well make a deal out of the weddings.
Weddings [i]are[/i] inconvenient. Always. But so far as ceremonial expressions of best wishes go, they’re pretty efficient (we all get together one day, say hooray, and go home). “God” apparently asks for your ass in a seat once a week. As P Shoe said, after the hassle of getting there, there’s not much to be done. Watch a short ceremony, say that you hope things work out, and buzz off to wherever you’re able as soon as they cut the cake. You could probably even get away with attending the wedding and not the reception, unless you’re in the wedding party. That part was never specified.
As for Kyle’s sister, I don’t remember much about her, except that I didn’t enjoy her presence, much as Kyle probably didn’t like my younger cousin Mark hanging around. Younger, prone to whining, getting in the way of fun.
Beyond that, again, I’m with P Shoe on how you feel about her, or how it’s informed your decision thus far. I listened to your bits on this and thought, “Has she done anything since you’ve started this show to make your life worse?” The disdain you have for her seems to inform (or have informed) your being like your revelation of Santa’s falsehood, even though many will tell you–and have told you, more or less–that they’re amazed they didn’t smother their sibling with a pillow one night (I find it amazing that my brother, six years my senior, didn’t kill me). I don’t think she’s trying to nag you here, and, as Paul said, she’ll be too busy being a bride to shit on your hood.
You say why, others say, why not?
I’ve rambled too much, I think.
All of that said, I don’t mean to piss you off, Kyle. I’m just offering a flimsy word on how the show seems to go, how the way you’re wired seems to fuel it, how this wedding scenario falls out of it. These thoughts probably won’t stand to much scrutiny. Ideally I’d have made part of this post a topic of conversation in person rather than something so easy to dissect as words on a screen. I’d rather you ponder a bit than pounce, though.
I’m not going to quote Jeff. I’m down with the Magician Mazurek until paragraph 5. Up to 4, I find it reasonable. Otherwise, I find Kyle’s position exceptionally sound and, ultimately, the only sensible position.
Blood is blood. So the fuck what?
If the fear of guilt or shame has anything to do with your relationships with anyone, then fuck it, plain and simple. (Then we have to maintain jobs… but still…ideally… right?).
But seriously —
Kylo is right. Let them think you are lazy or selfish or whatever else. Once in a while, some of us are granted the opportunity to say fuck the bullshit. I’m a sentimental fuck, but let’s not bore ourselves into the stupidity that we encounter day-to-day.
CONTROVERSY: In all honesty, I’d probably go if I was Kyle. But I’d drink plenty before and after every meaningful moment at the “wedding”. I would then proceed to not give a shit. But then again — I have no integrity. That is to say, if I could wash it away, I would go. If I couldn’t I wouldn’t.
Isn’t the pain of having to work bullshit jobs enough humiliation?
Conclusion: Get drunk and decide if you’ll go or not minutes before the show starts Kyle. A ride home? Where is the wedding? I’ll put you up with my brother in his basement (free ride included) instead of having to worry about it.
Your sister is a moron, I’d say.
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[Seriously, what's some good "battle" music?]
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8dWYAqonus[/url]
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[Seriously, what's some good "battle" music?]
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8dWYAqonus[/url]
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not brutal enough. Half left wins.
Remember when Marlykins was offended when Kyle dismissed the ultimately refutable? In the end, I hoped she was a Wiccan. Or found the flying spaghetti monster.
Hey, I’m happy to make partial sense. I feel like I can barely write a good paragraph, these days …
I agree that Kyle’s position is sound, and I agree, too, that it’s terrible and self-destructive to flinch your way through interpersonal decisions, especially when work often forces our hand about exactly that. But as I see it, Kyle wouldn’t attend to seek approval or to up his likeability score, or because he’s afraid of his dad saying ‘shame on you,’ he’d attend to ease future interaction with a few relatives who may get really hung up on his absence. One day of annoying versus a yet-to-be-determined period of annoying–it’s a decision of calculated convenience, of which route results in him expending the least amount of putting-up-with-bullshit energy.
I also agree that if Kyle goes, he must drink a ton. I’m not kidding. Anything you say and do would be chalked up to over-indulgence. Anything short of killing will get a pass.
I’m fascinated by this wedding conversation. I agree more or less completely with 19cartwheels on this: “Banter with Orion aside, as I understand it, the key dynamic to IJHATT–and by extention, Kyle’s life–is this: when Kyle discerns that someone’s feelings are getting in the way of their (or a) capacity to reason, he thinks they’re being stupid. When others sense that Kyle’s reasoning is getting in the way of his (or a) capacity for empathy, they think he’s being a dick. Entertainment for all of us follows.”
I do think Kyle resists, hugely, any obligation others would force on him.
Having said that, I agree that the story of what happened with his sister, while it must’ve been hugely annoying, is probably pretty typical for siblings. Certainly it was my experience with my sister. There were plenty of times in which I wanted nothing more than to hurt her, badly. I’d go to her wedding, though–attending it would mean something to her, and to me.
I imagine it badly irks Kyle that this is even a discussion. If someone were to attend his sister’s wedding, no one would speculate as to motive. Skip, it, though, and unsolicited advice and analysis pour in. Such are the dangers of bucking convention. Personally, I don’t feel one way or another about what Kyle should do here–and Kyle, a nihilist, doesn’t really believe in “should” anyway. Shit, though, if they have an open bar…
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